Club USA / Club World Casinos - Views on this please?

Club World (USA) Casino, can anyone say they have won there recently?

I have been playing there for ages, and no matter what i seem to do, i just cant seem to win, I might get a few small wins every now and then, but i never seem to get much more than that. My last withdrawal was back in October, and i have finally had enough.

I have tried playing at all times of day and night, during the weekend, during the week, betting big, betting small, but none of these methods really seem very fruitfull.

So im asking for other peoples veiws on this casino please?

I obviously have tried playing at other RTG casinos, and it appears a hell of a lot easier to win elsewhere. So from now on i will not be playing at Club World (USA) Casino. But i wouldn't mind knowing how other people feel about this.

I know for a fact RTG Casinos can alter their payout percentage, so i am wondering if this could be the cause of the lack of wins? Or another reason could be the sheer volume of players they have?

Views Please?

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:12 am (No subject)

Boris,
I have often wondered the same thing myself, not about Club World but about another casino I often play at. I am starting to believe that somehow that the casino can "turn off" our wins. When I questioned them I was told "no way". I also think that the software remembers everything we do on our bets etc..I know this might sound crazy but when I change my bet drastically it never fails, I will get a sizeable win. I have started to not bet all of my lines and I sware, it seems to work as well. For example on 25 lines, I go 23 or 24 and its like I have moved to another machine (one that pays) These are just my thoughts..Oh yea..there is another theory too...If you go into the automated spins and allow the first spin to be a winner( an amount won over the bet) it seems like the entire series of spins end up good..the only thing is you have to keep stopping the spins until you get a good one..I wonder if anyone else has had luck on this? The casinos I am referring to are all microgaming, not rpg tho..

Id be curious to hear any other comments about this..this topic has been on my mind for a while
Kellye

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:07 pm (No subject)

I think it's the software. they made the games harder to hit, I play at inbet and I can't even tell you, the last cash out I got. and there new games stink!

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:06 pm (No subject)

Right, im with you,

In my opinion, it works like this,

The slot machine will only pay what it wants, so if you are betting big, and it only wants to pay small amounts you will never get a win betting big, because the amount the amount it would have to pay on your big bet exceeds the small amounts it wants to pay. So when you decrease your bet, your bet substantially your win amount for that smaller bet will fall also, and probably will fall below what it wants to pay. So therefore you will get a win, but it will never be a win you will can a great win, because it doesn't want to pay big wins only small wins.

Now the amount the slots games want to pay is based on two factors (or three factors when playing a random jackpot game) and that is this:

First Factor)
The amount of money in the slot games so called paying out pot. The more money that goes in depends on the amount of money the slot game is willing to payout. This is based on the payout percentage the slots game is set to. With Microgaming casinos the casino operators cannot change this setting.

So how much a Microgaming Casino will payout on its slots is purely based upon the amount of money going into the slots games payout pot and the second factor (see below).

As for the RTG casino's, the casino operators have the option of setting the payout percentage of the slot games to what they want, so the amount of the slots games payout is based on the percentage setting the casino operators has set its slots games to, the amount of money going into the slots games payout pot and the second factor (see below).

Second Factor)
Just like coin slot machines, how many times have you played a slot game, and within 5 to 10 spins you all of a sudden have a big or substantial win? And quite frequently on your first or second spin you get a big or substantial win?

Quite a lot you must be saying right?

So the second factor for paying out is based upon how long the slot games been without a player playing it. Basically it’s like a linear line, which rises from the minute the last player, played until the next player arrives and plays the slot game. The more the line rises during the time that nobody plays the more it will payout. So the more time in between players playing that slot game the more the slot game is likely to payout.

So in my opinion to summarise, if you have the first factor but don't have the second factor the amount you can win will be very small, because there is always a player playing to suck up the wins it want to pay as the time between players never increases enough to award a substantial win.

And of course if you have the second factor but not the first factor, then the slot machine is willing to pay, but of course the amount it wants to pay will be very small because there is not enough money in the pot to payout a substantial win.

Third Factor)
Obviously the random jackpot will pay randomly so not explaining needed.

Now these are my own opinions.

There is a forth factor which I have not quite mastered yet, and that seems to be when you bet big for a while it seems as though you can sort of tip the scales for paying out. When I have bet big, on occasion it seems like the payout has filled to a point when it has to pay, and when it does I have won a big win.

With the forth factor it is quite easy to assume you can do this with every slot you play, and that’s when I lose big. Hence I say I have not quite mastered it yet.

These are my own views, and I could quite easily be wrong, but im very interested to hear other peoples views on this.

And you Rhonda, I know that Club World Casino and Inetbet are extremely popular casinos indeed, and therefore it would seem as though when playing these, you have plenty of the first factor but none of the second factor.

And I think the only way to win at either of those two casinos would be to bet big, but that has clear perils attached to the bet big method, and that’s losing big too.

I think a topic for discussion that would prove so useful for us players would be a "where and when did you win" topic, and in particular specifically for RTG casino's as they can adjust their payout percentages.

More Views please?

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:58 pm (No subject)

Well I have discovered that if I am betting 40 cents for awhile and I "almost" keep hitting a bonus round but never hitting it I change my bet up or down and within 2 - 5 spins suddenly I hit the bonus round. Usually if I bet DOWN to like 20 cents.

Sometimes if you just arn't hitting anything on one bet bet up one. I found some machines pay and pay at 20 cents but not 40 cents... then others pay at 40 cents not 20 cents. Depends on a lot of variables I assume.

I am normally a 20 cent better... but when I start a new game I will play 40 cents or more for the first 10 spins. It seems to me if you are going to hit on that machine it usually is within the first 10 spins.

Another thing I have found that happens a lot. I will spin and spin and nothing is happening.. I go for a soda out of the fridge, the restroom or something and come back (with the game still open) and within a few spins I hit something. It seems a little delay helps sometimes.

Everyone has their own way of playing and mine is just the way I play.

My big problem is... I never find the cash out buttom till I am $0

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:03 pm (No subject)

Oh and yes.. I find that I can play my favorite games on one casino and it pays wonderfully, but at certain casino's (2 of them) I just don't seem to hit very often on those same games playing the same way. They are just TIGHT. I love both those casinos but I rarely hit anything of interest at either of them. Though one I did do a nice little cashout once.

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:10 pm (No subject)

Yes we all have our own views/methods/theories on how these slots work i guess.

But statistics do not lie.

My statistic is depositing well over a $1000 in a casino and not winning, my frustration has made me post this topic, and like i said i feel i have to move my statisics elsewhere.

I do still think a topic on where and when did you win at, specificly on RTG casino's would be great, as RTG CAN AND DO alter their payout percentages for their games.

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:12 pm (No subject)

Yes Valeria your delay story fits with my second factor theory, which i certain is the case,

how many times do you win on your first ten spins, or after a delay?

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:31 pm (No subject)

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:03 pm (No subject)

I beleive your right, there is definitely no hard and fast rule that will win every time, but there are some factors that make it easier to win or lose.

Time of day, how popular, or not etc etc,

My feelings are having tried all of them are that i can't win at Club World Casino, and thus will have to play elsewhere.

I have won big at other casino's and not found the cashout button, at least i can blame that on myself, i had the choice, but playing at Club World, i never seem to even get the luxury to say that.

Having spoken to Jason of Club World, he has stated to me that they can and do set the payout percentage, for slots its currently 95% fyi.

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i always have great luck at clubusacasino, i mean its like anything else, sometimes i win sometimes i dont but on the most part i do good at clubusa

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:53 pm (No subject)

Thanks for your views DB,

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:40 pm (No subject)

Well, I am fairly new to slots, but I have , of course, been experimenting and keeping records.

My records include all slots at all casinos combined. No time yet for breakdowns.

The one conclusion I have reached is this: You will win more if you alter the amount of time between spins. I do it by silently counting the seconds.

Very interesting topic, and I plan to do a lot more experimenting.

royalblush

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:06 pm (No subject)

Hmmm.. i have also tried that method, but my patience sometimes lets me down.

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:45 pm (No subject)

THE ONLY LUCK I HAVE EVER HAD AT RTG CASINOS IS ON THE CLASSIC THREE REEL MACHINES - DIAMOND MINE DELUX ESPECIALLY. EVEN ON THOSE THE REELS SEEM TO SPIN AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS ON EACH SPIN OR THEY STOP JUST A LITTLE OFF PACE. I ONCE QUESTIONED SUPPORT ABOUT THAT BUT WAS TOLD IT MUST BE A PROBLEM WITH INTERNET CONNECTION, SEEMS ODD SINCE IVE GOT BROADBAND?

AS FOR THE REAL SERIES SLOTS, DONT LIKE EM ONE BIT!! BUT BACK ON POINT - YES CLUB USA/WORLD, NO LUCK AT ALL!!! I HAVENT EVEN GOT A WIN WORTHY OF A HAPPY DANCE!